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	<description>There's so much more of it than I have been led to believe...</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: peevish at Living in the Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.livinginthegray.com/2008/04/06/things-i-fail-to-understand/#comment-979</link>
		<dc:creator>peevish at Living in the Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 23:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the spirit of marital harmony and keeping the peace (and because I kinda owe my hubby one for this post), I am following in Mr. Lady&#8217;s footsteps, posting a list of some pet peeves I imagine my [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the spirit of marital harmony and keeping the peace (and because I kinda owe my hubby one for this post), I am following in Mr. Lady&#8217;s footsteps, posting a list of some pet peeves I imagine my [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda (Shamelessly Sassy)</title>
		<link>http://www.livinginthegray.com/2008/04/06/things-i-fail-to-understand/#comment-941</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda (Shamelessly Sassy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is most definitely a right side of the fork! I don't even know how one would go about using the wrong side.  I think you need to video this for us. Hope you are having a fabulous weekend! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is most definitely a right side of the fork! I don&#8217;t even know how one would go about using the wrong side.  I think you need to video this for us. Hope you are having a fabulous weekend! <img src='http://www.livinginthegray.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Constance</title>
		<link>http://www.livinginthegray.com/2008/04/06/things-i-fail-to-understand/#comment-938</link>
		<dc:creator>Constance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy crap, I could have written this post.  I got especially mad when I was pregnant and not drinking red bull (I'm still not drinking it actually, since I'm nursing but that's neither here nor there) and I would find those damned cans all over the kitchen, everywhere except the sink, which is where they go before we recycle them.  EVERY TIME.  So I feel you sister.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy crap, I could have written this post.  I got especially mad when I was pregnant and not drinking red bull (I&#8217;m still not drinking it actually, since I&#8217;m nursing but that&#8217;s neither here nor there) and I would find those damned cans all over the kitchen, everywhere except the sink, which is where they go before we recycle them.  EVERY TIME.  So I feel you sister.</p>
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		<title>By: Karly</title>
		<link>http://www.livinginthegray.com/2008/04/06/things-i-fail-to-understand/#comment-937</link>
		<dc:creator>Karly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I'm confused. He holds his fork in the wrong HAND or he holds it UPSIDE DOWN? Obviously, if you are right-handed you use your right hand for your fork, unless you are cutting something. And vice-versa for left handed. Right? I mean, duh. Right? Or am I wrong? And if he is holding it UPSIDE DOWN, I just can't even imagine marrying someone who holds their forks upside down. ;) That's just plain weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;m confused. He holds his fork in the wrong HAND or he holds it UPSIDE DOWN? Obviously, if you are right-handed you use your right hand for your fork, unless you are cutting something. And vice-versa for left handed. Right? I mean, duh. Right? Or am I wrong? And if he is holding it UPSIDE DOWN, I just can&#8217;t even imagine marrying someone who holds their forks upside down. <img src='http://www.livinginthegray.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> That&#8217;s just plain weird.</p>
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		<title>By: Ciara</title>
		<link>http://www.livinginthegray.com/2008/04/06/things-i-fail-to-understand/#comment-936</link>
		<dc:creator>Ciara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never given this much thought until I read the post and the comments.  I paid attention while eating dinner tonight.  

I rotate!  

How's that for being annoying and indecisive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never given this much thought until I read the post and the comments.  I paid attention while eating dinner tonight.  </p>
<p>I rotate!  </p>
<p>How&#8217;s that for being annoying and indecisive.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://www.livinginthegray.com/2008/04/06/things-i-fail-to-understand/#comment-935</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol. When I was reading this post I never expected to find such a heated debate over the proper way to hold a fork! ;)

But Colin...sorry, I have to agree with Shan on this one. It's just not logical to hold your fork "upside down". ;)

Shan, it was really nice to read how you solved your frustrations after each complaint by realizing that at least your husband takes time to help out. I think you've got a keeper. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol. When I was reading this post I never expected to find such a heated debate over the proper way to hold a fork! <img src='http://www.livinginthegray.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
But Colin&#8230;sorry, I have to agree with Shan on this one. It&#8217;s just not logical to hold your fork &#8220;upside down&#8221;. <img src='http://www.livinginthegray.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Shan, it was really nice to read how you solved your frustrations after each complaint by realizing that at least your husband takes time to help out. I think you&#8217;ve got a keeper. <img src='http://www.livinginthegray.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>View this photo. I don't think any further comment is nessesary. 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7180661.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>View this photo. I don&#8217;t think any further comment is nessesary. </p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7180661.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7180661.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: cassi</title>
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		<dc:creator>cassi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The European grip is clearly meant for Stabbing food, not for the Shoveling that Shannon describes.  The rounded side of the fork is clearly no good for Shoveling.  Perhaps when Europeans want to Shovel food, they use a spoon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The European grip is clearly meant for Stabbing food, not for the Shoveling that Shannon describes.  The rounded side of the fork is clearly no good for Shoveling.  Perhaps when Europeans want to Shovel food, they use a spoon!</p>
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		<title>By: hubby</title>
		<link>http://www.livinginthegray.com/2008/04/06/things-i-fail-to-understand/#comment-932</link>
		<dc:creator>hubby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate:

I hope you realise that you are quoting an American author. (notice my use of 's' instead of 'z'!). Apparently Emily Post forgets to notice which side of the plate the knife and fork are placed - they are positioned so you don't have 'swap' hands. Besides, you should be aghast by the description of using the fork to 'shovel' food! :P

Just so we are all on the same page, here are some pictures demonstrating the correct holding of the utensils:
* Fork: http://tinyurl.com/4cw4ln
* Knife: http://tinyurl.com/43xt8k</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate:</p>
<p>I hope you realise that you are quoting an American author. (notice my use of &#8217;s&#8217; instead of &#8216;z&#8217;!). Apparently Emily Post forgets to notice which side of the plate the knife and fork are placed - they are positioned so you don&#8217;t have &#8217;swap&#8217; hands. Besides, you should be aghast by the description of using the fork to &#8217;shovel&#8217; food! <img src='http://www.livinginthegray.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Just so we are all on the same page, here are some pictures demonstrating the correct holding of the utensils:<br />
* Fork: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/4cw4ln" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/4cw4ln</a><br />
* Knife: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/43xt8k" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/43xt8k</a></p>
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		<title>By: kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 04:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shan, You are certainly right in this case! 
Post's Etiquette, chapter 35 (The Kindergarten of Etiquette) states, 

"THE PROPER USE OF THE FORK

  As soon, therefore, as his hand is dexterous enough, the child must be taught to hold his fork, no longer gripped baby-fashion in his fist, but much as a pencil is held in writing; only the fingers are placed nearer the “top” than the “point,” the thumb and two first fingers are closed around the handle two-thirds of the way up the shank, and the food is taken up shovel-wise on the turned-up prongs. At first his little fingers will hold his fork stiffly, but as he grows older his fingers will become more flexible just as they will in holding his pencil. If he finds it hard work to shovel his food, he can, for a while, continue to use his nursery pusher. By and by the pusher is changed for a small piece of bread, which is held in his left hand and between thumb and first two fingers, and against which the fork shovels up such elusive articles as corn, peas, poached egg, etc." 
Emily Post (1873–1960).  Etiquette.  1922.

This is elementary etiquette that is taught to a child upon becoming old enough to manage a fork. We're talking 3. How old is the hubby?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shan, You are certainly right in this case!<br />
Post&#8217;s Etiquette, chapter 35 (The Kindergarten of Etiquette) states, </p>
<p>&#8220;THE PROPER USE OF THE FORK</p>
<p>  As soon, therefore, as his hand is dexterous enough, the child must be taught to hold his fork, no longer gripped baby-fashion in his fist, but much as a pencil is held in writing; only the fingers are placed nearer the “top” than the “point,” the thumb and two first fingers are closed around the handle two-thirds of the way up the shank, and the food is taken up shovel-wise on the turned-up prongs. At first his little fingers will hold his fork stiffly, but as he grows older his fingers will become more flexible just as they will in holding his pencil. If he finds it hard work to shovel his food, he can, for a while, continue to use his nursery pusher. By and by the pusher is changed for a small piece of bread, which is held in his left hand and between thumb and first two fingers, and against which the fork shovels up such elusive articles as corn, peas, poached egg, etc.&#8221;<br />
Emily Post (1873–1960).  Etiquette.  1922.</p>
<p>This is elementary etiquette that is taught to a child upon becoming old enough to manage a fork. We&#8217;re talking 3. How old is the hubby?</p>
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		<title>By: hubby</title>
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		<dc:creator>hubby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There _is_ a right and a wrong way to hold a fork. ;) Since we live in CANADA, a BRITISH COMMONWEALTH COUNTRY, we observe the EUROPEAN form of etiquette when holding a fork.

To quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_etiquette :

"The European manner is to hold the knife and fork, in the right and left hands respectively, throughout consumption. The hand grasp is also different: in Europe it is considered better manners not to hold a knife or fork as one would hold a pen, but to have the handle running along the palm and extending out to be held by thumb and forefinger. This style is sometimes called 'hidden handle'. This method is also common in Canada and other former parts of the British Empire. In contrast to the American method of using a fork much like a spoon (tines up), the British primarily use the fork with tines facing away from the user (tines down)."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There _is_ a right and a wrong way to hold a fork. <img src='http://www.livinginthegray.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> Since we live in CANADA, a BRITISH COMMONWEALTH COUNTRY, we observe the EUROPEAN form of etiquette when holding a fork.</p>
<p>To quote <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_etiquette" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_etiquette</a> :</p>
<p>&#8220;The European manner is to hold the knife and fork, in the right and left hands respectively, throughout consumption. The hand grasp is also different: in Europe it is considered better manners not to hold a knife or fork as one would hold a pen, but to have the handle running along the palm and extending out to be held by thumb and forefinger. This style is sometimes called &#8216;hidden handle&#8217;. This method is also common in Canada and other former parts of the British Empire. In contrast to the American method of using a fork much like a spoon (tines up), the British primarily use the fork with tines facing away from the user (tines down).&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must admit, I didn't know there was a right side of the tines.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That same list can be duplicated by most women I know.  However is only a tiny fraction of the list most men can make about the things they can't understand about women :)

I use the round side of the fork sometimes to mash down on something and make it stick to it if i'm having trouble scooping it, however that is the only acceptable use for the round side of the fork IMHO.  Could be a good weight loss trick though :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That same list can be duplicated by most women I know.  However is only a tiny fraction of the list most men can make about the things they can&#8217;t understand about women <img src='http://www.livinginthegray.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I use the round side of the fork sometimes to mash down on something and make it stick to it if i&#8217;m having trouble scooping it, however that is the only acceptable use for the round side of the fork IMHO.  Could be a good weight loss trick though <img src='http://www.livinginthegray.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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